Oprah Brings Post Imus Discussion to 106 and Park.

I know. Its a lie. But an M.Dot can dream. I rides for O. Me and Walt fell out over her last year over at Bols site.

When I saw her Post Imus episode I thought, man this would be dope,
if she did this show on 106 and Park.

OR

on TRL.

AUDIENCE MATTERS.

Think about how much of an impact that SHE could have in calling
artists AND asking young black children, WHAT do you think
when you hear “B*tches ain’t sh*t but ho’s and tricks”.

Russel speaking of ho’s Russel wants to ban ho’s and n*ggas fro hip hop.

This is DE.LI.CIOUS.

I wonder what the investors of Universal think of this.

Times has a dope blog post up.
Here are some telling responses:

although a bit patriarchal at times, hip-hop music and culture is not inherently misogynistic or completely obscene. the problem comes when those outside of the culture (big business and the mainstream) begin to dictate what hip-hop ?is?. hip-hop ?is? what sells. where are the chuck d?s, krs-ones, and rakims of this generation? why won?t guys like common, the roots, and mos def sell as much as this mims guy? instead of attacking hip-hop itself, why don?t we target the commercialization of what was once the ?black cnn??

also, even with hip-hop being the cultural behemoth it is, can we blame it for

the rantings of a grown man? shouldn?t he be above such influence?

? Posted by rachel b

While I think Simmons should be credited for speaking out on this issue, it is hard for me to see this as anything more than his own self promotion. In the recent documentary ?Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes,? Simmons hardly gave the filmmaker the time of day when pressed about questions of misogyny and hypermasculinity in hip hop. But now, post-Imus, it seems Simmons wants to be sure he?ll be mentioned with Revs. Jackson and Sharpton.

? Posted by CM


I think the Hip Hop Industry and mainly Russell are weak!! The songs and artist are free to say whatever they want! It is the responsibility of those who don?t like the lyrics to NOT LISTEN

? Posted by Tai

Uh, is he going to give back all the money he made from records using those ?three words??

? Posted by Jack Sprat

I?m black, a fairly conservative Republican and enjoy a successful career in finance. While I?m probably not the typical ?consumer? for hip/hop music, I felt compelled to comment on this topic.

No matter how offensive lyrics are, we must allow artists to express their feelings through music. Yes, I find the n-word very offensive when someone white uses it. But it is entirely different when someone black uses it. I am a woman but I don?t take offense to the word ho. Why? Because I?m not a ho. And yes, it is a word I use when describing Paris Hilton AND Lil? Kim. They?re both trash.[ NICE!!!]

We?ve got young kids getting blown to pieces in Iraq while we help the Iraqiis build a democracy. Free speech and free press are a cornerstone for democracy. These kids are giving their lives in return for helping Iraq establish a democracy. My ancestors gave their lives to build this democratic country. If you don?t like certain words, turn off the television or don?t buy the CD. If you don?t want your kids listening to this music, take control and monitor the Ipod. This is America. Let?s not forget that.

? Posted by Dagny Taggert

simmons and other rap industry execs are nothing more than profiteers of this sad and disgusting genre which i dare not call music. no one is trying to censor anyone.in order to live in a decent society which creates conditions for hope,growth,and social progress it must begin with the isolation of those who seek to destroy the creation of a just society.our young people won?t stand a chance if we continually allow those who denigrate our people to thrive and grow rich.isolate them immediately,scorn,and quarantine them for awhile and then notice the difference in our society after they depart foe awhile.

? Posted by rev.michael w.miller

And Finally. My favorite response.

To be fair, generally the ?devil?s music? rock and roll to older generations didn?t ruin people?s futures as often but rap does seem to have detrimental effects. Its not exactly normal for most non-damaged people to have flash rage incidents. If you shoot someone over a funny look that?s considered sociopathic and if people could get shot just for going to nightclubs or living in a neighborhood these sociopaths are affecting them too, even if they choose not to listen to rap.

You?ll notice that most middle class people don?t live in the ghetto. There?s a reason for that. Perhaps it would be better if the ghettos were just poor and not so murderous. [or perhaps it would be better if the people who lived in the ghetto would shut the f*ck up w/ that ghetto music]. The rage is one reason why it is so difficult to fix the public schools and that is something holding back a lot of people who are poor and urban. No good high schools means low university enrollment and that means not much of a future and this isolation affects all people growing up in that environment (and gives everyone else in this country these awful racial politics).

If the culture surrounding rap is informally reversing the affects of major supreme court victories, such as the Brown v. Board of Education, stating that separate and equal are not equal, then its a big deal. If you want people to tune out you?re music they?ll tune out more then that and its a big reason why we are so economically divided today. Its something that is directly contributing to social class stratification. (which unfortunately also takes a racial dimension because of the music).

? Posted by Erica

I did a post a few months back about how.
I think it was during the Ludacris/Oprah era.

I mentioned how Ms. Winfrey is connected to hip hop because her constinuents children are a large PORTION of the buying hip hop audience,

The elephant in the room is that POP RAP, is POP because the Hood burns it but hte masses eat it. POP rap is POPULAR because WHITE Middle Class jawns check for it.

50 said it best. Two weeks ago, he was on the radio and he qouted a sales amount that indicated that AFTER SELLING 800 thousand copies, he KNEW at which point his sales were no longer in the “hood”.

The observation was so greasy and astute.

WHY ELSE would Snoop be such a madison avenue darling?

Go Head and Ban the Words.

This reminds of why Black Language is So F*cking powerful.

N*ggas haven’t been concerned with how Black people Speak since the Ebonics Debate.

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Ebonics

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N&ggas all in one Post.

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My Duke/Imus Moment.

Last week.

Umi says, you gotta shine ya light.

In evidence class last week were discuss the rape shield laws.

Rule 412. Sex Offense Cases; Relevance of Alleged Victim’s Past Sexual Behavior or Alleged Sexual Predisposition

(a) Evidence generally inadmissible.

The following evidence is not admissible in any civil or criminal proceeding involving alleged sexual misconduct except as provided in subdivisions (b) and (c):

(1) Evidence offered to prove that any alleged victim engaged in other sexual behavior.

(2) Evidence offered to prove any alleged victim’s sexual predisposition.

Translation.

An alleged rape victims sexual history in a rape case is inadmissable.

The Duke case just came down last week, so my professor decided to use it as a “teaching moment”.

One of my colleges says,

“Well can we offer into evidence the fact that she dressed like a prostitute [I paraphrase but this is the gist of his statement”.

There were good hearted chuckles in the class as well as several FEMALE class mates looking around. Like. What? Did he just say that for real.

Personally.

I felt my HEART raise up in my throat and I KNEW that I had to say something.

I raised my hand.

She didn’t call on me.

30 seconds later.

The moment passed.

She asked, “Did I see a hand raised in the back?”

Umi says, you gotta shine.

I did a two second debate in my head.

DID I wanna be the BLACK girl, talking about the Black girl topic?

NO.

But. My hands were sweaty so I said. Yes.

I raised my hand.

“In response to my collegue David’s statement [class laughter] regarding
the admissability of the fact that the prostitute wore prostitute like clothing.

Him.

“Oh I was just kidding.”

I didn’t THINK to say it, but IT WAS THE IMUS defense in class.

White boys love to use it.

He said it. He meant it. He SHOULD have rode for his.

Have some integrity for christ sake.

But my mind was racing at the time, and I only realized it after class.

I responded.

I know, However, some things need to stated explicity.

One has to be very careful when making a statement regarding a womans clothing in relationship to rape, because it can lead to the very dangerous inference that how a woman dresses INVITES her to be raped.

A classmate that I have sat behind for 15 weeks turned around and mouthed thank you.

At first.

I was like “thats right”.

But then I was like f*ck her.

I had to say what I needed to say, so it wasn’t on MY HEART for the rest of the week.

I ain’t your moral compass.

We all sat in the same class.

We ain’t friends.

And I am the one that the courage to speak.

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Like I say.

Umi Says. Make it crack.

I gots Zora on mines.

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Why was Imus Allow to Remain on the Air for so long? Wonkette Speaks

Do the right thing.

4 Words.

So simple.

But not necessarily because it requires you to think of the impact that your words AND OR your silence has on others.

Do the Right Thing Brings me to Wonkette and how she along w/ the many other White people appeared on Imus despite what he said, because he helped her shine.


As the invites kept coming, I found myself succumbing to the clubhouse mentality that Imus both inspires and cultivates. Sure, I cringed at his and his crew’s race-baiting (the Ray Nagin impersonations, the Obama jokes) and at the casual locker-room misogyny (Hillary Clinton’s a “bitch,” CNN news anchor Paula Zahn is a “wrinkled old prune”), but I told myself that going on the show meant something beyond inflating my precious ego. I wasn’t alone. As Frank Rich noted a few years ago, “It’s the only show … that I’ve been on where you can actually talk in an informed way ? not in sound bites.” Yeah, what he said!

1. For the record, a reasonable person would infer that “casual locker room” placed infront of misogyny was intended to soften the crudeness of the term misogyny.

But It doesn’t. It merely demonstrates what she thinks is acceptable language from a man that helps HER get cake.

I’m embarrassed to admit that it took Imus’ saying something so devastatingly crass to make me realize that there just was no reason beyond ego to play along. I did the show almost solely to earn my media-elite merit badge. The sad truth is that unless you have a book to promote, there’s often no other reason any writer or columnist has to do the show.

Girl. Don’t be embarrased have some integrity.

And ask yourself.

What OTHER clubs am I a member of whose entrace price requires a jar of vaseline and extended periods where I suspend my integrity?

And here is where the gettin’ gets good.

It’s depressingly easy to find female journalists who will tolerate or ignore bigotry if it means getting into the boys’ club someday. (If only I were the only one.)

This astute observation brings me to another questions.

At the end of the day do the Wonkettes of the world feel more kinship w/ the nappy headed ho’s or the boys clubs of the world?

Based on her article and previous appearances. Her choice was clear.

Perhaps the future will tell us something different The Wonkettes will Do the Right Thing.

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Blog fam.

I am clearly on a tear w/ this topic.

You know what it is.

Here @ MM, we talk about these topics all the time.

But now the rest of the world is yapping, so we have oodles of
good source material. NICE!

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Why was Imus allowed to stay on the air for so long? White People’s Complacency w/ bigotry. Part I.

I thihk that its dope that Post Imus (p.i) there is more dialogue ABOUT how harmful g-rap is and a very small, yet significant conversation on about the WHITE PEOPLE who appeared to benefit on his show.

White Privilage Analysis.

De.lic.ious.

So far, only two white people have written about the benfits of rockin’ with Imus.

1. Ann Marie Cox aka Wonkette.

2. Sam Tanenhaus
Sam basically says that he was able to look the other way when it came to Imus’s bigotry because Imus helped him shine.

Cool. At least he aknowledging it.

For a period lasting many months I was one of Mr. Imus?s collaborators, or enablers ? in fact one of the more conspicuous ones. In October 1997, when I was a freelance writer, a friend phoned with the news that Mr. Imus had begun talking up my book, ?Whittaker Chambers: A Biography.? He did not succeed in making it a best seller, as he did in some other cases, but his efforts resulted, by my estimation, in an additional 10,000 sales, plenty for a densely footnoted biography with a $35 price tag.

More gratifying still were the letters and phone calls from readers, not the presumed yahoos we?ve been hearing about in recent days, but civil and courteous people from all walks of life ? students, retirees, history buffs and, in some instances, professional authors ? who also were part of Mr. Imus?s following.

Which brings me to the contributory negligence.

You see. In life. We all give up a little bit of our integrity for something.

Its the way the game is played.

Below, Sam disloses how he gave up some of his for some Imus Shine.

By now, I was tuning in regularly. It had become part of my routine: waking up each morning to WFAN and the frisson of hearing my name broadcast on the radio. Of course, I was hearing other things, too, and they were disturbing at times: slurs against black athletes, an ?impersonation? of Clarence Thomas that didn?t sound like him at all (unlike the impersonations of white figures), but instead drew on the stalest of the ?here come de judge? grotesqueries of a previous era; the almost continual soundtrack of leering sexual comments.

Today, in the harsh light of Mr. Imus?s disgrace, it is hard to explain why none of this bothered me very much. But the truth is I tuned it out. One reason, I think, is that my position seemed paradoxical. I was pleased to have been admitted into Mr. Imus?s club ? alongside famous columnists and TV pundits and celebrated authors.

My only question for Sam and other white men is, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU TUNING OUT IN ORDER TO BE A “MEMBER OF THE CLUB?”

in?teg?ri?ty [in-teg-ri-tee] Pronunciation KeyShow IPA Pronunciation

?noun

1. adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.
2. the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished: to preserve the integrity of the empire.
3. a sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition: the integrity of a ship’s hull.

[Origin: 1400?50; late ME integrite <>integrit?s. See integer, -ity]

1. rectitude, probity, virtue. See honor.
1. dishonesty.


Talk about being contributorily negligent.

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Im posting today yall, then imma cut back. Gotta go down the rabbit hole. Its that time of year. I will respond to your comments tho.

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"Just like every rapper wants the baddest video chick on his arm, so do AGs."

The Village Voice has an article on how young lesbians agressive’s (ag’s) embrace hip hop thug paradigm for the purposes of appearing hard.

When you go to the club and you’re an AG, your mission that entire night is to find the baddest femme in the club and make her your girl,” says another woman, who calls herself Don Vito Corleone. “Just like every rapper wants the baddest video chick on his arm, so do AGs.”

I have allways had a problem with the idea of women who embrace women but take on a male persona as the main WAY of appear tough, ’bout it and handling yours.

Rap videos have long provided men of color with milestones on their journeys to manhood. From being a successful street businessman (Notorious B.I.G.’s “Ten Crack Commandments”), to learning how to treat a woman (Dr. Dre’s “Bitches Ain’t Shit”) and protecting their manhood (50 Cent’s “What Up Gangsta?”), guys are told how to be indestructible, sexually assertive, and in general, badasses. The misogyny and homophobia implicit in that message has long raised the hackles of critics. Oprah Winfrey and columnist Leonard Pitts Jr. made news recently for saying “enough” to the influence of rap’s rougher edges on black culture.

My problem with it is not that they do it, but that that persona is appears to be the only acceptable viable “tough, hooded up persona”.


Im sure women can use their imaginations to be tough, fierce and gully in a variety of ways. No?

“These AGs have a disrespectful mentality, and they get it from men, hoodlums, dudes that are in the ‘hood all day,” says Kysharece Young, an AG, rapper (“Ky Fresh”), and freshman at Monroe College. “They act like a bunch of little damn boys that ain’t got no sense.”

The issues that face young women face young men as well.

In 2005, filmmaker Daniel Peddle chronicled the lives of AGs in his documentary The Aggressives, following six women who went to lengths like binding their breasts to pass as men. But Peddle says that today, very young lesbians of color in New York are creating a new, insular scene that’s largely cut off from the rest of the gay and lesbian community. “A lot of it has to do with this kind of pressure to articulate and express your masculinity within the confines of the hip-hop paradigm,” he tells the Voice.

I knew from the tone of the article that the writer, Chlo? A. Hilliard, was either brown or had an urban history. Then I found this out about her. She was most recently and editor @ the Source (scroll down, after you click to get her article).

She is hella fresh.

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Ohhhh. Wu Tang Renunion Doc just came out.
I can’t go.

But somebody needs to go and tell me about it.

Dude.

This right here is worth seeing it:

Capturing onstage and off with equal energy ? at one point only the inspired freestyling of artists like Redman and MC Supernatural stand between Mr. Weisberg and an all-out riot ? ?Rock the Bells? is a fascinating glimpse of a dreamer and a music culture that has always depended on dreams.

ROCK THE BELLS

Opens today in Manhattan.

Directed by Casey Suchan and Denis Henry Hennelly; directors of photography, Jeff Bollman and Leif Johnson; music by J. Force; produced by Kurt Dalton and Henry Lowenfels; released by Seventh Art Releasing. At the Two Boots Pioneer Theater, 155 East Third Street, at Avenue A, East Village. Running time: 103 minutes.

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Think imma lay of the posting for a min. Unless.

Um. Unless something de.lic.ious happens.

Baby on the right kinda bad.

I planned on posting this last week.

But I got Imus’d.

On a more curious note. I wonder what the Jesse, Al and Oprah would
think of these women?

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