Asher Roth x Don Imus x Nappy Headed Ho’s



Apparently, Asher Roth was recently on the Rutgers campus
and tweeted that he was hanging out with some
“Nappy Headed
Hoe’s.” He then tried to clean it up and recant
by saying that “he
was trying to make fun of Don Imus.”
He apologize as well.

Recently my post, “Michael Baisden is a Misogynist Pig“,
ran on Racialicious. The post is about the fact that Michael
Baisden stated on his radio show that a wife “should just
lay there and take it”, if her husband want’s to have sex
and she doesn’t. One of the commenter’s, “Nina”
who was open, honest and thoughtful in several her comments,
said that she felt that Baisden was being hyperbolic. She writes,

Perhaps because I think of him as being like Chris Rock, someone who exaggerates but often has a bit of wisdom at the core of the shit talking, what I hear is the kind of thing many men say when alone. And there is the risk that he goes to far OR that listeners will take it as gospel and not hear it as hyperbole. I hear it as hyperbole, my brother and friends hear it as hyperbole but that doesnt mean everyone does.

I responded saying,

Let me ask you this, do you think Don Imus was being Hyperbolic when he called the Rutgers women?s team Nappy Headed Ho?s?

If he wasn?t being hyperbolic and was being racist, why should Imus not be tolerated but Baisdens comments are hyperbolic?
Often times, I have found that people hide behind the defense of laughter when in reality it constitutes hate speech.

Can?t sprinkle sugar on shit and call it ice cream.

Having just wrote these comments on Wednesday,
you can imagine my surprise at
seeing Asher Roth say the same thing,
on Twitter, on Thursday.

Why should Asher Roth be singled out when Black men call us
hoe’s
all the time?

I am not saying that Asher should not be criticized for what he has done
but we need to keep it even and acknowledge that many Black rappers
and Black men, and for that matter Black women, refer to Black women,
reflexively, as “hoes.”

Perhaps, the underlying assumption in the Black community
at large is that Black women, belong to Black men, that we do not have to
freedom to do what we wish with our bodies, without being subjected
to public scrutiny within our community.

Shoot, I love The Clipse, and I am excited about their new song
with Kanye and their new CD, but thangs havn’t been the same since their
“Tree Huggin Bitch” skit.

In some ways, I feel that if Black people want White folks to
take racism
seriously then Black folks need to start taking
sexism seriously
.

The elephant in the room, as far as I am concerned about rap music
is that in the same way that America no longer needs Detroit, rap
no longer needs Black people or Black listeners
.

Both the White American and global consumption of Black death and materialism
is part and parcel of Hip Hop. It may be hard for us to admit it, but it is
what it is.

In fact, what we have failed to admit publicly is that rap, by and large
is an opportunity to consume Black death, and the Black female body.

In the essay, “Get Rich and Die Trying”, Matthew Birkhold explains
the relationship between Hip Hop, capitalism and the White and
Black consumption of Black death. He writes,

S. Craig Watkins correctly remarks that the extraordinary
success of The Chronic signaled the incorporation of hip
hop into mainstream America. Following in the footsteps of
The Chronic, the years 1993-94 saw the release of debut
records by Nas, the Wu Tang Clan, and the Notorious B.I.G.

All three albums, which all contained descriptive stories
about selling drugs were largely hailed as classics as soon
as they were released and, with the exception of Nas, had
tremendous crossover appeal. However what Watkins does
not point out is that the incorporation of hip hop into mainstream
America was made possible by white consumption of
black men celebrating black on black murder, selling crack,
capitalism, misogyny, homophobia and a rejection of cultural
nationalism. Importantly, during this era, hip hop was not yet
overwhelmingly saturated with drug raps and many rappers
took cultural nationalist positions.

For example, artists such as Brand Nubian, A Tribe called
Quest and De La Soul all released albums that were hailed as
classics during this era. However, these groups did not cause hip hop
to crossover. Because the purchasing power of young whites
created the success of The Chronic and a lack of crossover
success for Brand Nubian, The Chronic was emulated by artists and
labels around the country. As an example, the success of the
Notorious B.I.G and Bad Boy Records is worth examining closer.

Yesterday, @Jarobione further nailed this sentiment when he tweeted that,

jarobione @fwmj lol…. hell no!!!! just making a parallel. Hip-Hop is like a sleazy strip mall with one health food store…lmao

In researching this post, I found an interesting article by Bakari Kitwana
titled, “The Cotton Club:
Black-conscious hip-hop deals with an
overwhelmingly white live audience.” He writes
about Hip Hop’s white audience,

Boots says he first noticed the shift one night in 1995, in
a concert on the outskirts of Portland, Oregon. Opening for
Coolio, he stepped center stage and grabbed the mic as
usual, but then saw something unusual about the audience:
a standing-room-only sea of
whitness. Some were almost
dressed like farmers, he recalls. Others had their heads
shaved. “Damn, skinheads are out there,” he thought.
“They can’t be here to see us.” But the frantic crowd
began chanting along rhyme for rhyme.

Zion, MC of the independent rap group Zion-I, agrees the
similarities to jazz are striking: “Jazz went white, then
Black, then white again. At this point African Americans
aren’t the ones supporting live jazz [performances]. It’s
the same in many ways with independent hip-hop. I’ve
been to shows where the only Black people in the place
are onstage. It’s kind of surreal.”

“I love Boots Riley’s music, but in general people in the
‘hood are not checking for the Coup,” says Brother Ali,
part owner of the Minneapolis-based hip-hop collective
Rhymesayers Entertainment. “It’s hard enough to get some
of our people to go to a Kweli show. It has a lot to do with the
fact that the emphasis on the culture has been taken
away. It’s just the industry now and it’s sold back to us?it’s
not ours anymore.
It used to be anti-establishment, off the radar, counterculture. People in the streets are now being told
what hip-hop is and what it looks like by TV.”

According to industry insiders and most media outlets, though,
the shifting audience isn’t just a Black consciousness thing?it’s
prevalent in mainstream hip-hop as well.
Whites run hip-hop, they
say, from the business executives at major labels to the suburban
teen consumers. But the often-intoned statistic claiming that 70
per
cent of American hip-hop sells to white people may cover
up more than it reveals.

No hard demographic study has ever been conducted on
hip-hop’s consumers
. And Nielsen SoundScan, the chief
reference source on music sales, by its own admission does
not break down its over-the-counter totals by race. “Any
conclusions drawn from our data that reference race involve
a great deal of conjecture,” a SoundScan spokesperson insists.

Wendy Day, founder of the Rap Coalition, a hip-hop
artist-advocacy group, says she’s attempted to pair up with
several popular hip-hop magazines on such a study, but none
would commit to help fund it. When she asked an executive at
a major record label, she got an even more interesting
response: “He didn’t see the value in writing that kind of check,”
she says. “Because rap is selling so well, he didn’t see the value
in knowing who his market is. ‘It’s not broken, Wendy,’
he said.
‘We don’t need to fix it.’ ”

This is relevant to me, because when I walk to the streets,
minding my own business, I, along with other Black women
that I observe, are treated, by default, as nappy headed hoe’s
by some Black men.

Some of the interactions are fine, sincere and are warmly
received compliments. Most though, constitute harassment.

We want to walk the street and be. It would make for a more just
sustainable and democratic society if we are able to do so.

With that in mind, last Sunday, I was eating some Mentos, walking
to the train station on 7th avenue to the 2/3 on 42nd street. There
were some young men near the entrance selling candy. They were
wearing skinny jeans, fitted’s, tee shirts and a purple
scarves, you know THE uniform. Here is how the exchange went,

Young man: Ms. do you want some candy?
M.dot: No, no thank you
Young man:Can, I have some of your candy?

I keep walking.

Young Man: “Can I have some of the candy between your legs?”

I stopped at the foot of the steps, raised my hand to God, asked for a
right thought or action
, then proceeded to walk down the steps.

Moments like this serve as a connection between the music and our day to day
lives and I wonder what it will take in order to get others to do the same.

I wrote this listening to 10 Jay Electronica songs on repeat.
I may get hate mail, but you know what. F-ck it.
I write this for the Black Girls & Boys in East Oakland that people
consider disposable.
Tionna Smalls on Mine.

One.

Why are white men held to some higher standard
in terms of calling Black women 50 million hoe’s?

Why is it so hard to admit that hip hop by and large
involves selling the death of Black men and the bodies
of Black women for White, Black and arguably global consumption?

Why is it so much fun saying “You can’t sprinkle sugar on
shit
and call it ice cream?”

It’s Official. Im Saving an Egg for Jeff Chang. WHAT!


Man. This dude Jeff, done went ahead and did the damn thing in the LA Times on Oprah, 50 and Hip Hop.

MUCH OF THE criticism of commercial rap music ? that it’s homophobic and sexist and celebrates violence ? is well-founded. But most of the carping we’ve heard against hip-hop in the wake of the Don Imus affair is more scapegoating than serious.

Who is being challenged here? It’s not the media oligarchs, which twist an art form into an orgy of materialism, violence and misogyny by spending millions to sign a few artists willing to spout cartoon violence on command. Rather, it’s a small number of black artists ? Snoop Dogg, Ludacris and 50 Cent, to name some ? who are paid large amounts to perpetuate some of America’s oldest racial and sexual stereotypes.

This is what I have been waiting to hear.

I knew that there was something self serving about why, all the pimpl-licious-ness is privilaged in pop culture. Jeff, hit the nail on the bullet. LOL.

Envision it.

Oprah,

Snoop,

The Head of Universal,

Bill Cosby,

2 White mommas & their 13 year olds,

2 Black mommas & their 13 year olds,

2 Asian mommas & their 13 year olds,

On stage. To Discuss the above quote.

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Jeff. The egg is on reserve. <<< Self serving e-greasy. I love it.

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Oprah Brings Post Imus Discussion to 106 and Park.

I know. Its a lie. But an M.Dot can dream. I rides for O. Me and Walt fell out over her last year over at Bols site.

When I saw her Post Imus episode I thought, man this would be dope,
if she did this show on 106 and Park.

OR

on TRL.

AUDIENCE MATTERS.

Think about how much of an impact that SHE could have in calling
artists AND asking young black children, WHAT do you think
when you hear “B*tches ain’t sh*t but ho’s and tricks”.

Russel speaking of ho’s Russel wants to ban ho’s and n*ggas fro hip hop.

This is DE.LI.CIOUS.

I wonder what the investors of Universal think of this.

Times has a dope blog post up.
Here are some telling responses:

although a bit patriarchal at times, hip-hop music and culture is not inherently misogynistic or completely obscene. the problem comes when those outside of the culture (big business and the mainstream) begin to dictate what hip-hop ?is?. hip-hop ?is? what sells. where are the chuck d?s, krs-ones, and rakims of this generation? why won?t guys like common, the roots, and mos def sell as much as this mims guy? instead of attacking hip-hop itself, why don?t we target the commercialization of what was once the ?black cnn??

also, even with hip-hop being the cultural behemoth it is, can we blame it for

the rantings of a grown man? shouldn?t he be above such influence?

? Posted by rachel b

While I think Simmons should be credited for speaking out on this issue, it is hard for me to see this as anything more than his own self promotion. In the recent documentary ?Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes,? Simmons hardly gave the filmmaker the time of day when pressed about questions of misogyny and hypermasculinity in hip hop. But now, post-Imus, it seems Simmons wants to be sure he?ll be mentioned with Revs. Jackson and Sharpton.

? Posted by CM


I think the Hip Hop Industry and mainly Russell are weak!! The songs and artist are free to say whatever they want! It is the responsibility of those who don?t like the lyrics to NOT LISTEN

? Posted by Tai

Uh, is he going to give back all the money he made from records using those ?three words??

? Posted by Jack Sprat

I?m black, a fairly conservative Republican and enjoy a successful career in finance. While I?m probably not the typical ?consumer? for hip/hop music, I felt compelled to comment on this topic.

No matter how offensive lyrics are, we must allow artists to express their feelings through music. Yes, I find the n-word very offensive when someone white uses it. But it is entirely different when someone black uses it. I am a woman but I don?t take offense to the word ho. Why? Because I?m not a ho. And yes, it is a word I use when describing Paris Hilton AND Lil? Kim. They?re both trash.[ NICE!!!]

We?ve got young kids getting blown to pieces in Iraq while we help the Iraqiis build a democracy. Free speech and free press are a cornerstone for democracy. These kids are giving their lives in return for helping Iraq establish a democracy. My ancestors gave their lives to build this democratic country. If you don?t like certain words, turn off the television or don?t buy the CD. If you don?t want your kids listening to this music, take control and monitor the Ipod. This is America. Let?s not forget that.

? Posted by Dagny Taggert

simmons and other rap industry execs are nothing more than profiteers of this sad and disgusting genre which i dare not call music. no one is trying to censor anyone.in order to live in a decent society which creates conditions for hope,growth,and social progress it must begin with the isolation of those who seek to destroy the creation of a just society.our young people won?t stand a chance if we continually allow those who denigrate our people to thrive and grow rich.isolate them immediately,scorn,and quarantine them for awhile and then notice the difference in our society after they depart foe awhile.

? Posted by rev.michael w.miller

And Finally. My favorite response.

To be fair, generally the ?devil?s music? rock and roll to older generations didn?t ruin people?s futures as often but rap does seem to have detrimental effects. Its not exactly normal for most non-damaged people to have flash rage incidents. If you shoot someone over a funny look that?s considered sociopathic and if people could get shot just for going to nightclubs or living in a neighborhood these sociopaths are affecting them too, even if they choose not to listen to rap.

You?ll notice that most middle class people don?t live in the ghetto. There?s a reason for that. Perhaps it would be better if the ghettos were just poor and not so murderous. [or perhaps it would be better if the people who lived in the ghetto would shut the f*ck up w/ that ghetto music]. The rage is one reason why it is so difficult to fix the public schools and that is something holding back a lot of people who are poor and urban. No good high schools means low university enrollment and that means not much of a future and this isolation affects all people growing up in that environment (and gives everyone else in this country these awful racial politics).

If the culture surrounding rap is informally reversing the affects of major supreme court victories, such as the Brown v. Board of Education, stating that separate and equal are not equal, then its a big deal. If you want people to tune out you?re music they?ll tune out more then that and its a big reason why we are so economically divided today. Its something that is directly contributing to social class stratification. (which unfortunately also takes a racial dimension because of the music).

? Posted by Erica

I did a post a few months back about how.
I think it was during the Ludacris/Oprah era.

I mentioned how Ms. Winfrey is connected to hip hop because her constinuents children are a large PORTION of the buying hip hop audience,

The elephant in the room is that POP RAP, is POP because the Hood burns it but hte masses eat it. POP rap is POPULAR because WHITE Middle Class jawns check for it.

50 said it best. Two weeks ago, he was on the radio and he qouted a sales amount that indicated that AFTER SELLING 800 thousand copies, he KNEW at which point his sales were no longer in the “hood”.

The observation was so greasy and astute.

WHY ELSE would Snoop be such a madison avenue darling?

Go Head and Ban the Words.

This reminds of why Black Language is So F*cking powerful.

N*ggas haven’t been concerned with how Black people Speak since the Ebonics Debate.

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Gangsta Rap is Black People’s and America’s Dirty Laundry.


Yesterday I was going at it over at Gotty’s site.

And. Someone called me a hypocrite. Nothing new.

As a card carrying, Clipse loving feminist, I have been called worse things.

The argument stemmed from the fact that someone cited Jason Witlock and his argument that Jesse and Al are too scared to go after companies that promote and benefit from Gangsta rap.
So I say go ahead and ban/regulate gangsta rap.

But.

Once you ban gangsta rap.
What are you going to put back?

And let me ask you this, is the real issue the music or the lives of of the people that the music represents?

Because banning/regulating g-rap sounds like a cosmetic change to me.
My man Roland Martin at CNN hit the nail on the head when he said,

America, we have a problem with sexism. Don’t try to make this whole matter about the ridiculous rants made by rappers. I deplore what’s in a lot of their music and videos, but hip-hop is only 30 years old. So you mean to tell me that sexism in America only started in 1977?

Now is the time for this nation to undergo a direct examination of the depths of sexism. My media colleagues shouldn’t go just for the easy target ? rap lyrics. That is no doubt a logical next step, but sexism is so much deeper. It is embedded in our churches, synagogues, mosques, schools, Fortune 500 companies and in the political arena. We should target our resources to this issue and raise the consciousness of people, and expose the reality.

Don Imus should not be the period. He can be the comma. Civil rights organizations, media entities, women’s groups and others have an opportunity that they can’t pass up. We have the chance to seize the moment to begin a conversation ?– an in-depth one ?– that has the opportunity to redefine America along the lines of race and sex.


Thinking about writing this, I pondered, what led to gangsta rap in the first place?

Well.

1.Mix Black Flight + White Flight + The Burning Bronx + Quasi functional public urban education = You get the conditions that percepitated gangsta rap.

Everyone is aware of the education/quality of of life connection. In fact, Imus’s audience was highly coveted because they were affluent and highly educated.

And I ask again, once you ban gangsta rap, what are you going to put back.

For these folks who want to ban/regulate gangsta rap, I would like to know whether they live in the hood?

Do they want to live in the hood?

Would they send their kids to schools in the hood. Prolly not.

And Why? Because the schools are horrible.

Now lets assume that we don’t have gangsta rap, how would the world even know what was going down in the hood?

Bear in mind that I am aware that this statement presumes that one is even interested in what is going on in the hood. LOL.

So lets imagine a world w/o gangsta rap.

  1. Will dudes still hustle crack?
  2. Will little Black girls still, disporportionality, want to grow up
    and be video vixens?
  3. Will dudes still be hustling loosie’s on 125th and Lenox?
  4. Will the Rockefeller drug laws still apply?
  5. Will more black fathers pay child support?
  6. Will OPD still conduct unconstitutional stop and searches?
  7. Will Katrina get fixed?
  8. Will cats cease getting murked on the reg in Oakland, New Orleans and Philly?
  9. Will there be more than 3 GOOD high schools in New York City?
  10. Will No Child Left Behind STILL be leaving mad brown/black kids in the dust?

Go head ban it.

Probably will just mean better mix tapes anyway.

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Know I made some ENEMIES w/ this post.

I put zora on mines so I KNOWS Im good.

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IMUS: DEADED Nappy Headed Ho’s: 5. OR I LOVE GWEN IFILL.


Imus called Gwen Ifill, who at the time was covering the White House for the Times, the White House cleaning lady.

Below is a very lightening rod hot editorial she wrote in The Times earlier this week.

LET?S say a word about the girls. The young women with the musical names. Kia and Epiphanny and Matee and Essence. Katie and Dee Dee and Rashidat and Myia and Brittany and Heather.

In the end, they were stopped only by Tennessee?s Lady Vols, who clinched their seventh national championship by ending Rutgers? Cinderella run last week, 59-46. That?s the kind of story we love, right? A bunch of teenagers from Newark, Cincinnati, Brooklyn and, yes, Ogden, Utah, defying expectations. It?s what explodes so many March Madness office pools.

It is about the Rutgers Scarlet Knights. That game had to be the biggest moment of their lives, and the outcome the biggest disappointment. They are not old enough, or established enough, to have built up the sort of carapace many women I know ? black women in particular ? develop to guard themselves against casual insult.

Man listen. There needs to be emotional callus building workships offered at the learnin annex.

How many times yall been at work, and you wonderd, “Did this fool just say something racist or am I trippin?”

Or I know this white girl did not just come out her face and say ” All Black people are _____?” And then decide, you know what, choose your battles, and today this ain’t one worth fighting.

Why do my journalistic colleagues appear on Mr. Imus?s program? That?s for them to defend, and others to argue about. I certainly don?t know any black journalists who will. To his credit, Mr. Imus told the Rev. Al Sharpton yesterday he realizes that, this time, he went way too far.

Finally calling fools out. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you Gwen.

Yes, he did. Every time a young black girl shyly approaches me for an autograph or writes or calls or stops me on the street to ask how she can become a journalist, I feel an enormous responsibility. It?s more than simply being a role model. I know I have to be a voice for them as well.

So here?s what this voice has to say for people who cannot grasp the notion of picking on people their own size: This country will only flourish once we consistently learn to applaud and encourage the young people who have to work harder just to achieve balance on the unequal playing field.

Dude this part almost made cry. And yall know there are two things that make me cry. M & A deals and baby pandas. Lol.

The following statement that Gwen makes also touches me b/c as someone who is allways asking people for help, guidance, advice it is so reassuring when someone is receptive and available. It was so wonderful to hear that she HAS my back.

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IMUS UPDATE
NBC Dropped him.
GlaxoSmithKline pulled ads.

Ditech.com
TD Ameritrade said it was evaluating its sponsorship.

Here is a Dope article on how hypocritical it is that business are for advertising on Imus’s show in the first place.

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On that note.

My Imus coverage is dead for the week.

LD, MR, Neo, Jason, Stephen, what do you think of Gwens statement.

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